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The Ministry in Lystra

Jim Butler · 2024-06-06 · Acts 14:8–18 · 10,844 words · 69 min

You can turn back to the book 
of Acts, Acts chapter 14. We're in between books. We finished 
the book of Leviticus a month or two ago, so we're taking some 
time off from Numbers until after our summer break. So we'll finish 
the month of June, these Wednesday night studies, and then take 
July-August off, and then, God willing, get back to Numbers 
in September. There was no rhyme or reason, 
not sure why I alighted in the book of Acts, but it seems like 
a good, or it seemeth wise unto me to at least continue on here 
in Acts 14. So last time, last two weeks, 
we considered 14.1-7, the ministry of the Apostle Paul and Barnabas 
in the city of Iconium. This puts it in its larger context, 
what we call the first missionary journey in the Book of Acts. 
It's from Acts 13.1 all the way to Acts 14.28, took place in 
around AD 47 and 48, covered about 1,400 miles. So it would 
have been Cyprus and the churches in southern Galatia, Pisidian 
Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe. So the return is recorded 
in chapter 14 at verses 27 and 28, so they're sent out, or rather 
the Holy Spirit comes to the church, the Holy Spirit tells 
the church to set apart Paul and Barnabas, the church then 
sends those men out, they engage in missionary enterprise, and 
then they come back to the church, report what God had done, and 
then they stay there for a time, and then they go back out on 
a missionary journey. So it's a very church-oriented 
methodology and strategy, very much in terms of God's working 
in and through the local church to evangelize and to promote 
gospel mission in the world. So I will read beginning in verse 
8, and as I said, we'll continue here, 8 to 18, the ministry in 
Lystra. So, and in Lystra a certain man 
without strength in his feet was sitting, a cripple from his 
mother's womb, who had never walked. This man heard Paul speaking. Paul, observing him intently 
and seeing that he had faith to be healed, said with a loud 
voice, Stand up straight on your feet. And he leaped and walked. Now when the people saw what 
Paul had done, they raised their voices, saying in the Lycanian 
language, the gods have come down to us in the likeness of 
men. And Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul Hermes, because 
he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Zeus, whose 
temple was in front of their city, brought oxen and garlands 
to the gates, intending to sacrifice with the multitudes. But when 
the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes 
and ran in among the multitude, crying out and saying, Men, why 
are you doing these things? We also are men with the same 
nature as you. and preach to you that you should 
turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the 
heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, 
who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their 
own ways. Nevertheless, he did not leave himself without witness, 
in that he did good, gave us rain from heaven and fruitful 
seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. And with these 
sayings they could scarcely restrain the multitudes from sacrificing 
to them. Just continue to the end of the 
chapter. Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there. And having 
persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out 
of the city, supposing him to be dead. However, when the disciples 
gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And 
the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe. And when they 
had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, 
they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the 
souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, 
and saying, We must, through many tribulations, enter the 
kingdom of God. So when they had appointed elders 
in every church and prayed with fasting, they commended them 
to the Lord in whom they had believed. And after they had 
passed through Pisidia, they came to Pamphylia. Now when they 
had preached the word in Perga, they went down to Adalia. From 
there they sailed to Antioch, where they had been commended 
to the grace of God for the work which they had completed. Now, 
when they had come and gathered the church together, they reported 
all that God had done with them, and that He had opened the door 
of faith to the Gentiles. So they stayed there a long time 
with the disciples. Amen. Well, as we consider this 
section in Acts 14, specifically at verses 8 to 18, the ministry 
in Lystra, We'll not only learn something about the missionary 
enterprise of the Apostle Paul and Barnabas in the book of Acts, 
but there's a bit of theology that we can learn on the way. 
For some of you, this will be a review, not only Acts 14, but 
the particular theology that we will look at, specifically 
when the Apostle Paul declares in verse 15, we also are men 
with the same nature as you. We'll deal with that when we 
come to it, but it does hold out for us some truth concerning 
the living God. So when we look at this section, 
I want to look first at the healing of the lame man in verses 8 to 
10. Secondly, the folly of the pagans in verses 11 to 13. And 
then thirdly, the proclamation of the living God in verses 14 
to 18. And this is a specimen sample 
of the apostolic preaching to heathen or pagan. Remember, Acts 
chapter 17, which we looked at several weeks ago, is another 
instance of that. The Apostle Paul in Athens is 
there meeting the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers who wanted 
to understand something concerning Jesus and the resurrection. So 
Paul takes that opportunity to preach to them the glory of God 
Most High. Remember that when he preaches 
to the Jews in the synagogues, he doesn't spend his time on 
the doctrine of creation. He doesn't spend his time on 
the doctrine of God's sovereign governance. He usually spends 
his time on demonstrating and reasoning from the scriptures 
that Jesus is in fact the Christ. The Jews already believe that 
God made the world. The Jews already believe that 
God sustained and governed the world. The Jews did not believe 
that God sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, who assumed our 
humanity, to live as the Messiah that was promised in the Old 
Testament Scriptures. So Paul's strategy or tactic 
in the synagogue was to reason and to demonstrate and to show 
from Scripture that Jesus was in fact the Christ. When he comes 
upon these pagans, he teaches them concerning the sovereignty 
of God, the nature of the true and living God, and that is precisely 
what he does here in Lystra. So looking first at the healing 
of the lame man, there's obvious similarities to what you see 
back in chapter 3, specifically in verses 1 to 10. That instance 
when Peter and John went to pray, they met a lame man on the way, 
and he held out his palms and he asked for alms, and this is 
what Peter did say. There's a song that obviously 
goes to that, and Peter famously makes that statement, silver 
and gold have I not, but what I have I give to you. And in 
the name of Jesus Christ, he calls upon him to be healed. 
So we have an instance like that here in the ministry of the Apostle 
Paul. So there's some similarities 
with Peter in Acts 3, but as well with Jesus in his ministry 
relative to the healing of the paralytic, specifically in Matthew 
chapter 9. As well, you see parallels in 
Mark and in Luke. So we are in the city of Lystra. 
It's not too far away from Iconium, I think, probably about 60, 68 
kilometers, so it's not a long distance. But notice how the 
man is described in verse eight. And in Lystra, a certain man 
without strength in his feet was sitting, a cripple from his 
mother's womb who had never walked. So his condition was severe and 
incurable. J.A. Alexander says, congenital 
infirmities of this kind being commonly regarded as incurable, 
the man's condition seemed to be a helpless one. And so we 
need to make sure we appreciate that. What happens in this instance 
is great and glorious. God, through Paul and Barnabas, 
brings the gospel to bear upon these heathen in Lystra, but 
also this man who had these feet that were without strength and 
a cripple from his mother's womb was cured and was healed through 
the power of God. not the power of Paul. Remember, 
Paul doesn't have the ability in and of himself to go out and 
heal people. It's God who works these miracles 
and signs through the apostles. And as I explained last time, 
when we were looking at the situation in Iconium, if you look back, 
or up, if you will, specifically in verse 3, it says, I mentioned 
that the Bible is a book full of miracles. but those miracles obtained at 
the time of revelation. So in other words, we see miracles 
during the ministry of Moses, we see miracles during the ministry 
of the prophets, we see miracles in the ministry of our Lord Jesus, 
and we see miracles in the ministry of the apostles. Now, the miracles 
aren't just to simply dazzle and to surprise and cause people 
to stand in awe of the miracle worker. They come at times when 
God is revealing his word. So the miracles that Moses performs 
confirms or authenticates that Moses is speaking the truth of 
God's word. When the prophets engage in miraculous 
activity, it confirms and authenticates that they are preaching God's 
word. When Jesus does that, same thing. When the apostles do that, 
the same thing. In the ending of Mark, some call 
it the long ending of Mark, I'll just call it the ending of Mark. 
Mark chapter 16, specifically at verse 20, I think you get 
that emphasis. And they went out and preached 
everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the 
word through the accompanying signs. Amen. There seems to be 
a misplacement or a misguided approach on the part of some 
that are looking for the miracles as an ending of themselves. That's not wrong to pray to God 
to relieve you of whatever your situation or your issues are, 
but understand that biblically speaking, miracles come to confirm 
the miracle worker as being God's man with God's word and revelation 
is the end game. So, when we come to this particular 
man, we see Paul's action in verses 9 and 10. This man heard 
Paul speaking, Paul observing him intently and seeing that 
he had faith to be healed. The fact that he saw that he 
had faith to be healed probably indicates that the Spirit enabled 
Paul to see this in the man. There was nothing in the man 
necessarily that demonstrated this. He didn't have a light 
above his head or some sort of indicator that, yeah, I've got 
the faith that is requisite for this particular thing. Remember 
that the Spirit is active in the ministry of the apostles, 
and here when Paul observes him intently and seeing that he had 
faith to be healed, it's most likely leading by the Holy Spirit. 
And then Paul says, what Paul says there in verse 10, So again, 
the power of God is such that Paul is able to speak and the 
man is healed. a congenital defect. He had never 
walked before, and now he is walking. This is, in fact, the 
power of God. It's miraculous, it is glorious, 
it is wondrous, and in the larger context of redemptive history, 
it confirms that the word that the apostle is speaking is, in 
fact, the word of the living and true God. Bruce says that 
this lame man had faith, was made plain by his ready obedience 
to Paul's command to stand up. He jumped to his feet, found 
that they supported his weight, and began to walk for the first 
time in his life. It really is miraculous. I mean, 
the man had never walked, and here he is walking. Again, similarities 
with our Lord Jesus when he looks at that man who's lowered down 
on the mat, and he says, son, your sins are forgiven you. And 
of course, everybody wonders how in the world can this man 
forgive sins? And Jesus knows that they're 
thinking this way, and Jesus asks the simple question, which 
is easier, to say to the man, your sins are forgiven, or to 
say, rise, take up your mat, and walk? Well, it's easier to 
say that your sins are forgiven, because we can't see that. I 
can say that, and you don't know whether or not it's true. And 
then Jesus says, but that you may know that the Son of Man 
has power on earth to forgive sins, he says to the man, rise, 
take up your mat, and walk. So the miraculous healing demonstrated 
the more glorious miracle that the Son of Man has power to forgive 
sin. So what we find with Peter in 
Acts 3 and what we find with Paul here in Acts 14 is similar 
to the ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. So the healing of the 
lame man. Now, that brings us to the folly 
of the pagans in verses 11 to 13. Certainly, they were there. They had seen. They had understood. They saw what Paul had done. 
So of course, their pagan heathen instinct was, well, let's worship 
this one. If he's able to say in a loud 
voice to this man who's been crippled since his mother's womb 
to get up and walk, and the young man or the man was able to get 
up and walk, certainly Paul is one to be reckoned with. And 
so we see they ascribe to Paul and Barnabas deity. Notice in 
verse 11. Now when the people saw what 
Paul had done, they raised their voices saying in the Lycanian 
language, the gods have come down to us in the likeness of 
men. It says, and Barnabas they called 
Zeus and Paul Hermes because he was the chief speaker. So 
what you have here is a demonstration of the power of the living and 
true God, and so then the heathen ascribe it to their deities. They ascribe it to the gods coming 
down in the form and likeness of men. So get that in your head, 
that that's the particular issue that's in view, and that's the 
particular issue that the Apostle Paul is going to address. These 
men think that other men are actually gods, and so Paul needs 
to correct their theology. That's why I said, it's not only 
a historical study in the first missionary journey, but Paul 
teaches theology to these heathen, and I think by virtue of that, 
we need to pay attention, because if we're not as more accurate 
in our understanding of who God is, and I would argue that at 
least some chunks of the church aren't, then we need to get it 
together. Because if the heathen are instructed, 
and not that it took with all the heathen, we see that in verse 
18, but nevertheless the apostle taught good theology to them 
to correct them from this idea that God is kind of just like 
us, but perhaps a better version of us. So they ascribe deity 
to these men. They speak in the Lycanian language. 
Probably tells or explains why it took Paul and Barnabas a little 
bit longer to sort of clue in on what was going on. And then 
they identified Barnabas as Zeus. Zeus is the Greek name. Jupiter 
is the Roman name, the king of the great gods. Paul as Hermes. Hermes is the Greek name. Mercury 
is the Roman name, the messenger of the gods. Not sure why. Other than Paul was the one that 
was speaking. Paul was the one with the loud 
voice. So perhaps they concluded he must be Mercury or Hermes. 
And Barnabas perhaps was an older man, must be Zeus. He must be 
the king of the gods. But that shows you the conception 
that these persons had. That the gods had come down to 
us in the likeness of man. So they identify Barnabas with 
Zeus. They identify Paul with Hermes. And then notice this attempt 
at worship in verse 13. These heathen are at least consistent 
with their belief system. I've got to give them credit 
for that. If they thought that the gods had come down to them 
in the likeness of men, then what we find there in verse 13 
is perfectly appropriate. That's legit. That's the way 
we ought to be with reference to the living and true God. We 
ought to have that response, that reflex in terms of worship 
and praise and adoration. So notice in verse 13, then the 
priest of Zeus, whose temple was in front of their city, brought 
oxen and garlands to the gates, intending to sacrifice with the 
multitudes. Brethren, as far as they were 
concerned, the gods had come down in the likeness of man. 
What do you do when the gods come down in the likeness of 
man? You worship them, you ascribe deity to them, and then you were 
a sacrifice to them, and you do everything that is appropriate 
to being in the presence of the gods. Heathen, in the book of 
Acts, at times, demonstrate the coldness of Christian hearts 
in many instances. We've got to get provoked. We've 
got to be harangued. We've got to be sort of argued 
into church attendance at times. The heathen, they just come. 
If they know that divinity, or at least they suspect that divinity 
is present, their reflex response is to worship and to praise and 
to adore. And then that brings us then 
to the proclamation of the living God. First we see the rejection 
of worship, then we see the proclamation of the truth, and then we see 
the section end with a bit of a misunderstanding of the truth 
set forth by Paul. But notice the rejection of the 
worship. Verse 14, when the apostles Barnabas 
and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among 
the multitude, crying out and saying, This is consistent with 
what we know concerning our God and true religion. Turn back 
to Acts chapter 10. Again, another parallel with 
the ministry of Simon Peter. Specifically at verse 24, "...and 
the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting 
for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 
As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his 
feet and worshiped him. But Peter lifted him up saying, 
stand up, I myself am also a man. As well, you can turn to the 
book of Revelation, Revelation chapter 19. Another instance 
where a creature attempting to worship another creature is rebuked 
by that creature saying, don't worship me, but rather worship 
God and God alone. I think I got the wrong text. 
It's not, oh yeah, it is Revelation 19.10. So intriguingly, we have 
Paul, we have Peter, we have an angel rejecting worship when 
it's issued or given to them. Compare that with the several 
instances in the gospel records where people worship Jesus. Does 
Jesus shoo them away? Does Jesus reject them? Does 
Jesus rebuke them? Does Jesus say, no, don't do 
that? No, Jesus receives it. When Thomas 
says, my Lord and my God, Jesus doesn't redirect him. Jesus accepts that and approves 
of it. So there is a stark contrast 
between what we find in the apostles and what we find in the angels 
versus what we find in true divinity. So our Lord receives it. So we 
have this consistency with other creatures on the part of Paul, 
but then the rejection. Notice this response, and it's 
similar to what you see elsewhere in scripture. Notice specifically 
in verse 14 again, it says, but when the apostles Barnabas and 
Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the 
multitude. Remember Jesus before the high 
priest and the high priest put him under oath. Are you the king? Are you the Messiah? Are you 
the Christ? And he says, you have said rightly. What does 
the high priest do? He tears his clothes. As far 
as he's concerned, this was a blasphemous statement. And so what the apostles 
do in this particular instance evidence that. It reflects that. It demonstrates that. And the 
question, why are you doing these things, is the appropriate question 
for the people of Lystra to ponder. And it sets the stage for what 
the apostle is going to do by means of corrective theology. 
He wants to lead them to this place of contemplation and reflection. Why are you doing these things? 
We're just men. We're like you. Bruce says, the 
summary which Luke proceeds to give of their expostulation provides 
us with one of the two examples and acts of the preaching of 
the gospel to purely pagan audiences. to people who, unlike the Gentiles 
who attended synagogue worship, had no acquaintance with the 
God of Israel or with the Hebrew prophets. The other and fuller 
example is the speech delivered by Paul to the Athenian court 
of the Areopagus in chapter 17. So then we move to the proclamation 
of that truth in verses 15b to 17. And the first thing I want 
us to appreciate is the non-divinity of the apostles. the non-divinity 
of the apostles. We're going to slow down a bit 
and just sort of unpack some of the theology in this particular 
section. As I said, it's a review for 
those who've heard the sermon on Acts 14. It's a review for 
those who have heard of the doctrine of divine impassibility. If you're 
relatively new to our church, you've probably heard that doctrine 
more than you ever heard it in your life before. Why are these 
people so caught up with this doctrine of impassibility? What 
is it about impassibility that really fires their passions? 
What is it about these people? Well, I'll give you a brief synopsis 
of what it is about these people. In 2014, we were part of a larger 
association of churches called the Association of Reformed Baptist 
Churches in America. And when we were a member of 
that particular association, controversy broke out over a 
clause in our confession. In the confession of faith, we 
have a description, or rather a definition, or rather a sort 
of summary statement of what we call God's perfections. We 
might call them God's attributes. We might call them whatever, 
you know, other things. I tend to prefer the word perfection. but it tells us that the Lord 
our God is but one only, living and true God, whose subsistence 
is in and of himself, infinite in being and perfection, whose 
essence cannot be comprehended by any but himself, a most pure 
spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only 
hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach 
unto, who is immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, 
everywhere infinite, most holy, most wise, most free, most absolute, 
working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable 
and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, 
merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving 
iniquity, transgression, and sin, the rewarder of them that 
diligently seek him, and with all most just and terrible in 
his judgments." Nothing too out of the ordinary in terms of Christian 
theology, except for a particular clause or a series of clauses 
that seem to have gotten neglected over the years. In other words, 
if I asked you what are the attributes of God, you might recite Westminster 
Shorter Catechism number four. What is God? God is spirit, infinite, 
eternal, and unchangeable. In His being, wisdom, power, 
holiness, justice, goodness, and truth. Typically, when we 
discuss the attributes or perfections of God, that's where our minds 
go. God is loving. God is holy. God is just. God 
is righteous. God is good. God is, you know, 
whatever. We don't usually ponder, at least 
up until 2014, probably some people did, but some of us didn't 
really ponder some of the more fundamental grammar of the doctrine 
of God that is set forth here in our confession. This statement 
of most pure spirit. a most pure spirit. There's a 
world of theological reflection behind that statement. I may nod to it as we move through 
the material tonight. And then it says invisible, and 
then this next three, without body, parts, or passions. That was where the debate centered, 
specifically on the passions part. So without body. We know 
God's without body because Jesus tells us in John 4, 24, God is 
spirit. So what do we conclude from that? 
God doesn't have a body. He's not spatial. He's not, you 
know, he doesn't extend. There's no material to him. He's 
spirit. But there have been in the history 
of the church people that have taught that God has a body. He's 
got feet, he's got arms, he's got hands, he's got whatever. 
And then this next statement, that God is without parts. That may seem a bit odd, but 
it simply is what's called the doctrine of divine simplicity. 
You didn't get that. I said it's simply the doctrine 
of divine simplicity. Now, the doctrine of divine simplicity 
isn't altogether simple for us simple-minded folk. But nevertheless, 
simplicity simply means that God's not made of parts. Now, 
that's a profound statement, because if he was, that means 
those parts are more ultimate than God. If there is some part 
out there that comes together to form God, then there's something 
outside of God that's more ultimate than God. God is a simple being. There's no composition. There's 
no two parts. There's no, you know, he's made 
up of a bit of this and a bit of that. We are made up of flesh 
and spirit. We are material and immaterial. We are compound beings. We are 
made good. in a way that God is not. And 
when it comes to the Trinity, never say that God is three parts. That is bad, bad stuff. Don't 
ever say, well, you know, God is three parts. That's not the 
doctrine of the Trinity. That flies against divine simplicity. It flies against divine triunity. 
It's just a bad way. But it's kind of common to say 
that, well, you know, God's three parts. No, he's not. The doctrine 
of divine simplicity means that God is not made up of parts. 
He is without parts. Simple. Again, some things stretch 
it a little bit when you get a little bit more detail. But 
for now, he doesn't have a body, doesn't have parts, and he doesn't 
have passions. And this is where people get 
their sort of pants hung on the nail on the fence. What do you 
mean he's without passions? Passions are good. We use passions 
typically in a positive way. That guy is really passionate. 
That's great to see. We like a passionate preacher. 
We like a passionate politician, provided we agree with them. 
We don't like passionate commies. We certainly don't like passionate 
heretics. But so far that they're passionate 
and they're on the right track, we like that. Passion's good. 
Well, the fundamental issue with passion is change. So this without 
body, parts, or passions is a negation of or denial of change in the 
divine being. Passion is consistent with movement 
from one state to another. That's what the confession is 
denying when it says he's without passion. Now, the typical response 
is, well, then that means God doesn't love us. No, it means 
that God is love, that He loves us, as the confession says, with 
mostness. It's the without passions bit 
in this paragraph that can lead to the most holy bit, the most 
wise bit, the most free bit, and the most absolute bit. It 
then says most loving, most gracious, most merciful, most long-suffering. Most means he can't get better 
and he can't get worse. There's no increase and there's 
no decrease. And you can thank the doctrine 
of divine impassibility for that. There's no shadow of change or 
turning with God. And so what we have is this doctrine 
of divine impassibility, the without passions. So in Arbka 
in 2014, one in the ranks started challenging that doctrine. He 
was graciously and kindly asked not to do it. Not, you know, 
he wasn't kicked out, he wasn't treated harshly. He had a blog, 
a public blog, and he represented ARPCA. And they just said, look, 
you know, that's not the position of our confession, and it would 
be nice if you didn't do that. Well, as you might imagine, he 
continued to do that. So it caused this big disruption, 
which was a good thing. Outsiders thought, oh, I can't 
believe those guys are arguing over something so insignificant. 
I'm sorry, but what better thing to argue over than the doctrine 
of God? I'd rather argue over that than the color of the hymn 
book that we use. At least it's something we're 
supposed to be arguing about. And it's something that, again, 
by and large, seemed to have been lost, at least for some, 
in the context of the church. So when this kicked off, there 
was a process set in motion for people to study it, to try and 
understand it, for a committee to answer the question as to 
whether or not the confession actually taught it. What did 
the other confessions at the time teach? What did the early 
church teach? What did the medieval church 
teach? In other words, historical theology. What has the church 
done with the doctrine of divine impassibility? Are we just some 
innovators here? Or are we actually doing something 
that's consistent with the life of the church? Which is always 
the way to do theology. For all the negativity out there 
about the church, the church is Christ's bride. And we shouldn't 
do theology without being in concert with the church, not 
only our local church in terms of any writing or preaching or 
teaching we may do, but in terms of study, it's good to see how 
the fathers dealt, it's good to see how the medievals dealt, 
it's good to see how the reformers dealt, it's good to see how the 
post-reformation guys dealt. We're not the first ones to take 
the kick at this can. And Christ ascended on high, 
he led captivity captive, and he gave gifts to men. And those 
gifts of men to men have spoken and written valuable and precious 
truth to help us to understand scripture. So basically, in the 
Arbka impassibility debate, it ended with Arbka affirming this 
particular statement in its historical, biblical, theological sort of 
universe, basically saying, yeah, God is impassible. Now, some 
left Arbka as a result of that. Others stayed around, but only 
for a short time, because there was another torpedo fired at 
Arbka, and that's when we left. So we didn't continue on in Arbka. That's why there's a push, if 
you are new to our church, as to why we want to start an association 
of churches here in Western Canada. We think it's a good thing to 
work together and to be in concert with brothers and sisters and 
other churches that we know and love. So when we come to this 
particular passage of scripture, it's actually a proof text in 
the Westminster Confession of Faith for without passions. And I'm going to try to navigate 
through this. So notice what it says in verse 
15. The first thing is the fact that 
Paul and Barnabas were not God. He says, we also are men with 
the same nature as you. The word passion is the Greek 
word here, like passion, similar passion. It's exactly what he 
says. Man, we are of like passion. So basically, the Greek word 
means pertaining to experiencing similarity in feelings or circumstances 
with the same nature as someone. Barrett, a commentator, not Matthew, 
but a different one, said, same experiences and the same feelings. A modern commentator, Bach, says 
it beautifully, literally, of like passions. That's exactly 
what Paul says. The King James gets it right. 
We also are men of like passions with you. Thumbs up for the King 
James! That's a wonderful translation. 
You see it used in James 5.17 as well. Elijah was a man with 
a nature like ours. Elijah was a man with like passions. So what Paul says to these worshiping 
heathen, not worshiping heathen worshiping the true God, but 
trying to worship Paul, is that Paul is saying, we're not God. 
He's stressing non-divinity. He's stressing their creatureliness 
and thus the inappropriateness on the part of the heathen to 
worship that. Worship is due and fit only for 
the living God. And he puts himself and Barnabas 
with these men. Men, why are you doing these 
things? We also are men with the same passions, or like passions, 
as you. We're just like you. Gill comments, 
men, not gods, of the same human nature, and that as created, 
alike sinful men, and need a sacrifice better than those. Frail mortal 
men, subject to frailty, imperfection, afflictions, troubles, diseases, 
and death itself, and so very improper objects of worship. 
So the first thing to observe is the fact that Paul and Barnabas 
were not God. The second thing to observe is 
the fact that God is not like us. See, if Paul says, men, we 
are of like passions with you, what's he saying by implication 
about God? God's not of like passions as 
you. God is not the same nature as 
you. There is something significantly 
different about the true and living God. In the sense of the 
doctrine of divine impassibility, this like passions, this similar 
nature, God's is dissimilar from us. When the confession says 
that God's essence cannot be comprehended by any but himself, 
as I've said on a number of occasions, that does not mean we cannot 
know truth about God. That does not mean we're drooling 
idiots when it comes to the 31,000 propositions in scripture, and 
we just scratch our heads and we can't understand. We can certainly 
understand them. But in terms of who God is as 
God, the finite can never penetrate the infinite. The creature can 
never see fully the creator. There is a chasm that exists, 
and the apostle is stressing that. So the text supports, again, 
it's not explicitly, Paul's not saying, OK, I'm going to teach 
you the doctrine of divine impassibility, what later confessional authors 
will describe as God without passions. But it's certainly 
there in the text. So the text supports the doctrine 
of divine impassibility. Now impassibility basically is 
described this way. God does not experience inner 
emotional changes, whether enacted freely from within or affected 
by his relationship to and interaction with human beings in the created 
order. He's not like us. There's no ups and downs. There's 
no good days and bad days with God. There's no, yeah, I'm just 
going to have to cancel on that. There's no variation. There's no shadow of turning. 
There's no change in God. God does not experience inner 
emotional changes. See, the opponents of divine 
impossibility say, well, he wills that. He does that. No, he doesn't. He doesn't have any inner turmoil. He is blessed. He is perfectly 
happy. He's pure act. That means there's 
no potency in God. He can't move from one place. 
He can't decrease. He can't increase. There's no 
change with God. And brethren, dare I say, that's 
the God we need. We're messed up. We change all 
the time. If I'm out sailing, as I often 
do, and I come to straits and I have to throw my anchor, I 
don't want to throw it on the sand that's shifting and sinking. I want to throw it on the rock 
that's going to hold on to it. And that's the exact imagery 
that the apostle uses in the book of Hebrews in chapter 6. 
We don't want a God who's shifting. We don't want a God who's changing. 
We want most loving, most gracious, most merciful, most long-suffering, 
abundant in goodness and truth. We want all that God has promised 
to be in Holy Scripture. So He's pure act, and then this 
idea of simplicity. Now, I don't want to confuse 
anybody, but I think it's important for us to understand this. God 
is all that is in God. For us, we are human nature, 
and then we have the capacity to love, we have the capacity 
to hate, we have the capacity to be kind, we have the capacity 
to do certain things. There's no capacity in God. There's 
no potency in God. He's simple. He's not He's not 
moving. There's no getting better. God's 
not graduating next year from God University to be all that 
He ever was supposed to be. That's just not the God of the 
Bible. He is who He is. So He is His attributes. That's 
a bit of a tough one, and it takes some time to sort of process 
it, but it simply means that everything that is in God is 
God. And a perfect illustration is from 1 John. John tells us 
God is love. John doesn't tell me I am love, 
because I'm not. I have the capacity to love, 
I can love, I'm built for that ability to love, but I'm not 
definitionally love. God definitionally is love. God definitionally is holiness. 
God definitionally is justice. He's righteousness. He's all 
that we see here. So all that is in God is God. Again, there's no getting better 
for God. There's no bad days. There's 
no getting worse for God. These are glorious truths. The doctrine of divine impassibility 
does not teach that God is static, inert, or unrelated to his creature. or his creation. And I just read 
that. In 2nd London, he's most holy, 
most wise, most free, most absolute, most loving, gracious, merciful, 
long-suffering. That's not static. That's not 
inert. The idea of static or the idea 
of inertia is applicable to a creature, but it really has no meaning 
when it comes to God, because God is pure act. No potency in 
God. It's not like he can not be static 
or be static. That's a category for creatures, 
not a category for us. As well, the doctrine of divine 
impassibility highlights the distinction between God as creator 
and man as creature. We always need to maintain that, 
and that's what Paul is doing. Man, why are you doing these 
things? We also are men with the same nature as you. And interestingly, 
notice Paul's evangelistic strategy. Notice what he doesn't do. God 
loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. No, he wants 
to set their thinking straight first and foremost about God. 
Not just start promising them good things, but telling them 
about the good God. He wants to correct their bad 
theology. So the doctrine of divine impassibility 
highlights the distinction between God as creator and man as creature. Listen to James Dolezal. James 
Dolezal says, God is not to be counted as existing in an ontological. Ontological is the doctrine of 
being. We might call it metaphysics. Again, some of these concepts 
or words, just stick with it. Brethren, theology is like any 
other enterprise. You get into a hobby, do you 
know what you know about stamps on day one, what you know about 
stamps on day 100? No, you've learned a bit, right? 
By, you know, you're 80 years old, boy, you know a lot about 
stamps, or coins, or whatever your deal is, whatever floats 
your boat in that regard. You don't go, well, there's big 
words there, I'm not going to do it. No, you are interested 
in the subject, so you think, maybe those big words will help 
me with that subject. Never understood why in the church 
we have the best of subjects, and people argue that way. Doesn't 
seem fitting to me. Doesn't seem appropriate. Of 
course, I'm a lecturing, scolding pastor. That's probably got something 
to do with it. So he says, God is not to be 
counted as existing in an ontological series with any creature. I think 
what he means is this. You don't have worm, and then 
animal, and then man, and then angel, and then God. God's not 
man writ large. He's not the top of a series 
of being. You've got creature, man, angel, 
That's it, in the creaturely realm. God's in another category. 
God's in the God category. He's in the infinite. He's creator. 
We're creature. He says, as the absolute cause 
of all creaturely being, God himself cannot be numbered as 
one of those things appearing with being in general. You can't 
just throw him in with the rest of us. He is different. The God of Holy Scripture condemned 
Israel in Psalm 50. Why? Because you thought I was 
altogether just like you. What's God saying? I'm not like 
you. That's a good thing, brethren. 
We don't want just a better version of us. We want God Most High, 
the infinite, glorious One who created all things. Boevinck 
says, God is the real, the true being, the fullness of being, 
the sum total of all reality and perfection, the totality 
of being, from which all other being owes its existence. He 
is in an immeasurable and unbounded ocean of being. the absolute 
being who alone has being in himself. So there is a difference, 
and that's what Paul is highlighting. And then I would suggest that 
the fourth observation under the fact that God is not like 
us is that the doctrine of divine impassibility necessarily follows 
from the doctrine of divine immutability. That's usually the more popular 
of the two. People have heard of immutability. 
That means God is unchangeable. In case you hadn't heard of immutability, 
I'm going to tip my hand. That's what it means. God is 
unchangeable. So the doctrine of immutability 
tells us that God cannot change. So the doctrine of divine impassibility 
comes along and tells us he doesn't change. It's kind of like the 
relationship between infallible and inerrant. In the 20th century, 
there were debates about biblical inerrancy, and some person said, 
well, the confession doesn't have inerrancy, but it has infallibility. Infallibility means that the 
word of God cannot lie. So it necessarily follows that 
if it cannot lie, it does not lie, which is inerrancy. And 
I see that impassibility as a subset of divine immutability. It's 
an amazing thing. People affirm and confess immutability. And then you start talking about 
impassibility. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You mean God doesn't 
cry? God doesn't repent? Because the Bible says he does. 
Yeah, the Bible also says God has a powerful right arm. The 
Bible also says that the eyes of the Lord are in every place. 
Does God have eyes? No, we always understand that 
as what's called an anthropomorphism, the predicating of God, physical 
traits, to teach us something about Him. Well, the Bible does 
that with emotions and passions because we cannot, as the finite, 
enter into the infinite unless the infinite accommodates it 
for us. And so he accommodates it, in 
the language of Calvin, like a nurse lisping to a two-year-old. You don't have dialogue with 
a two-year-old the way you do with your 22-year-old, unless 
you're a very bad parent. If you're talking to your 22-year-old 
the way you talk to your two-year-old, you didn't do your job at some 
point, because you should be able to speak to them in a different 
way. So the doctrine of divine impassibility 
necessarily follows from the doctrine of divine immutability. Numbers 23, 19, God is not a 
man that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should repent. 
1 Samuel 15, 29, and also the strength of Israel will not lie 
nor relent, for he is not a man that he should relent. Malachi 
3.6, for I am the Lord, I do not change, therefore you are 
not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Do you hear that? The doctrine 
of divine immutability, including impassibility, is the foundation 
of Israel's status that they continued on. I the Lord do not 
change, therefore you are not consumed. If the Lord changed, 
He don't wipe them out, because they deserve to be wiped out. But He doesn't change. He covenants 
to preserve, He covenants to keep, He covenants to do, and 
He'll preserve, He'll keep, and He'll do. Because He is immutable. He is impassable. James 1.17, 
every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and comes 
down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation 
or shadow of turning. Upon which Manton comments, but 
God doth not change, there is no wrinkle upon the brow of eternity, 
the arm of mercy is not dried up, nor do his bowels of love 
waste and spend themselves. I guess what I'm trying to present, 
brethren, is that when Paul says, men, why are you doing these 
things? We also are men with like passions 
as you. He is affirming their non-divinity, 
but he is affirming something unique about the living and true 
God. That living and true God does not have like passions. 
He's not given to change. He is not affected by those creaturely 
emotions. He's not affected by any emotions. If there are motions communicated 
concerning God in Scripture, they're what we call an improper 
predication, an analogical predication, again, designed to teach us truth, 
but not compromising the person, or rather, the doctrine of God. 
So when we come back to this, notice then what they say, based 
on this true theology. You might say, well, you know, 
that's not the biggest lesson on theology. It's a big one to 
a bunch of, you know, man-worshiping heathen. What else would you 
tell these guys? Good job, as far as you know. 
No, that's not what Paul says. Men, why are you doing these 
things? We also are men with the same nature as you. So on 
the heels of this true theology, he says, we also are men with 
the same nature as you and preach to you that you should turn from 
these useless things to the living God. preaching repentance to 
them, just like he does in Acts 17 at the Areopagus. And as I 
tried to show in our study in Acts 14, repentance and faith 
go hand-in-hand in the Book of Acts, in the Bible as a whole, 
but especially in the Book of Acts. You see repentance, you 
see belief. Belief and repentance are two 
sides of the same coin. It's believing repentance, it's 
repentant faith. So when he says that you turn 
from these useless things to the living God, implicit in that 
is belief on this living God. And then notice, he then highlights 
the works of God. So persons might wonder, how 
does an impassable God relate to creation? Well, Paul's going 
to tell you how an impassable God relates to creation. First, 
he created it. Notice in verse 15, after turn 
from these useless things to the living God, who made the 
heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them. 
turn from this useless paganism or heathenism or Zeus and Hermes 
to the living God. Why? Because the living God made 
the earth, he made heaven, he made the sea, and he made everything 
that is in that. As well, he then highlights the 
sovereignty of the living God. Notice in verse 16, who in bygone 
generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways. Listen 
to Poole. Poole, I think, describes this 
well. There were two main objections which these heathen idolaters 
might make against the gospel and the worship of the true God. 
And they are, first, from the antiquity, secondly, from the 
universality of that false worship. Right? They might say, wait a 
minute, your God is the new God. We got Zeus, we got Hermes, we 
got this pantheon. So what's Paul saying? No, the 
true and living God made everything and the true and living God has 
been present throughout bygone generations. The true and living 
God let bygone generations or allowed these nations to walk 
in their own ways. So Poole draws this lesson, both 
which, the idea of antiquity and universality, both which 
the apostle here gives a critical answer unto, telling them that 
the reason why so many, and for so long a time, they had followed 
idols, was from the just judgment of God upon them, as he does 
elsewhere. Psalm 81, Romans 1, Romans 1, 
24 and 28. So what we see here is that God 
made the world, God governs the world, and whatever the question, 
well, why did God do that? Well, why did God? That, I think, 
is sufficiently answered elsewhere, but that God did that is obviously 
clear from verse 16. And then in verse 17, he underscores 
something about the created order. and God's revelation of Himself 
through the created order. Notice in verse 17, nevertheless, 
He did not leave Himself without witness. Even to you heathen. even to you pagans. We call this 
natural theology, general revelation. Belgic Confession says we know 
God by two means. First, by creation, preservation, 
and government of the universe. Second, he makes himself known 
to us more openly by his holy and divine word. I think Paul 
does that in Acts 17. He certainly does this in Romans 
chapter 1. How does he say that God has 
demonstrated or made it clear that he exists even to the atheists? 
Well, through his invisible attributes are seen through what is made. 
In other words, the effect should lead you back to the cause. And 
that's what he's saying here. So God has revealed himself, 
even to heathen and pagan. Nevertheless, he did not leave 
himself without witness in that he did good, gave us rain from 
heaven and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food 
and gladness. And then we see this misunderstanding 
of the truth. First of all, notice that Paul's 
intention is not simply to set forth their theology. I mean, 
he wants to do that, and he knows that it's intimately connected 
with soteriology. But for Paul, and as you look 
through the book of Acts, when they give information, it's not 
just to give information. Paul wants the Lystrans to repent. 
He wants them to come to Jesus. He wants them to know forgiveness. 
He wants them to be saved. He's an evangelist. He's a missionary. 
He's got a pastor's heart. He loves people. And he's out 
there on the mission field. And he corrects their theology. 
He tells them to repent. And when we see that, it's unfortunate 
that verse 18 is there, but we see that at the Areopagus as 
well. Not everybody receives the preaching of the Apostle 
Paul and says, I'm going to be saved. There's some who mocked 
in the Areopagus. There were some who said, well, 
we'll hear about this again later. And some did believe. Well, same 
thing here in Lystra. Verse 18, and with these sayings, 
they could scarcely restrain the multitudes from sacrificing 
to them. So there was this, nevertheless, 
in them, this pagan, heathen desire to worship them because 
he had done this great thing for this man who had been crippled 
from his mother's womb. Well, I had hoped to be done 
a bit earlier because if anyone has questions, but we do have 
some time, so I'll close in prayer and I'll save the application 
for another day. Father in heaven, we thank you 
for your Word. We thank you for the doctrine of God as we find 
it in Scripture, as we have been helped in the history of the 
church to understand things in a In a clearer way, we thank 
you for our confession of faith and the good and robust definition 
that it gives concerning these truths. I pray that you would 
help us to get these things in our minds and in our hearts, 
and may it cause us to worship and to praise, to adore and to 
glorify our great and our holy and our awesome God. And we pray 
this in Jesus' name. Amen. There's got to be questions. Dr. Wright, I imagine, is revising 
his primer. And that primer's on pre-order 
right now at Broken Point. Yes, that's true. So Sam Ranahan 
has a primer. I always think it looks like 
primer, but it's called God Without Passions, a primer, or primer, 
if you're rude like me. And then he has God Without Passions, 
a reader. I cannot commend highly enough 
that primer. It just sets forth the doctrine 
of divine impassibility in a very simple way. Very clear, very 
concise, very biblical, wonderful. The reader is basically a compilation 
of quotations. Here's what the dudes in the 
church have said all throughout the history of the church on 
this doctrine. The early church, many of the 
battles fought over Nod and especially the person of our Lord Jesus, 
were fought at the level of divine impassibility. The heretic said, 
no, divine impassibility is true, which everybody to a man agreed 
on. So for the heretic mind, well, 
how could Jesus do what Jesus did? I thought for sure that 
question was going to come up. How could Jesus do what Jesus 
did? Because didn't Jesus cry? Didn't Jesus demonstrate passion? Didn't Jesus have, you know, 
what appears to be ups and downs? Nobody has that question? Yes. So it was a really helpful 
overview of bio-impossibility. before like that, so thank you. And interesting statement I just 
picked up earlier on, when he said he's not like us. He does 
not experience inner emotional change. And I was just thinking, 
how do you understand those texts in the Bible where the Lord's 
anger burns, is kindled against, I would say those are anthropopathic 
statements. Similar to an anthropomorphic 
statement, the predication of human emotion to God. So you 
predicate human limbs to God in anthropomorphism, the Bible 
does that. It's by way of accommodation. 
The technical terminology is it's an improper predication. 
And an improper predication doesn't mean it's wrong or it's not true. 
It's not proper to God as God. What is proper to God as God 
are the perfections of holiness and righteousness and justice. Improper, but again, not true, 
is wrath and fury and anger. That accommodates God to us, 
so we understand the gravity of the human condition, the gravity 
of the sinfulness of man, and it's an improper predication 
that shines the light on the truth of his justice, his righteousness. It's spoken in the manner of 
men. That's another convention that 
you see often in older commentaries. John Gill will say, spoken in 
the manner of men. And that is a technical phrase, 
actually, in theological literature and biblical commentary to characterize 
what is an improper predication. Proper predication is saying 
what the Bible says about God in terms of his nature or being. 
So he's holy, he's righteous, he's just. That's a proper predication. And improper is when it puts 
human emotion on him so that we learn something from, again, 
the human sin and the glory of God, and it's spoken in the manner 
of men. It's accommodated language to 
us. Does that make sense? That's probably the best question 
you could possibly ask, so you get an A. You must have been 
in a good church years ago. I'm kidding, and presently. Jeff, 
he was a member here many, many years ago. That was well taught. 
Good to have him here. But you, that all predated the 
impassibility stuff. But method, that's a great question. And I would suggest the method 
is, the first question we ask of scripture is who is God? And 
then we ask, what does God do or how does God act? Whatever 
God does or acts has to be consistent with who He is. If God says, 
I change not, and then we read that He relents or repents, We 
don't say, well, there's a contradiction. We don't say, oh, I don't know 
how to square this problem. God doesn't change. But I know 
that God is condescending in communicating to me, so he uses 
language for me that I can get my mind wrapped around. So the 
priority is, who is God? How does the Bible describe our 
God? And then when we see God do things that seem to be a bit 
out of character for God, we let the who is God condition 
us. In other words, if something 
seems to be out of character with our God, change, for instance, 
we come back to, no, he doesn't change. So whatever's going on 
here cannot mean he changes the way that we change. It's a revelatory 
way for the Lord to communicate to us. We know what relenting 
means. The gravity of the situation 
in Genesis 6 is best described by God relenting that He had 
made man. There's no better way to describe 
the enormity of sin, the gravity of the problem, the glory and 
the majesty of God. If you think about it, there's 
no better way for God to have communicated this than, I'm sorry 
I even made man. That cannot mean, though, again, 
if you're thinking theologically, biblically oriented, that God 
messed up. God doesn't mess up. That's not 
a potential in God. There's no way that God is going 
to ordain the creation of the world and all things in it, down 
to the very fall of Adam and Eve, down to the flood, every 
jot and tittle. We believe in the divine decree. 
Nothing takes place apart from the plan and purpose of God. 
So for God to get to Genesis 6 and say, man, I just... It's 
too bad I made man. The issue isn't God saying, man, 
it's too bad I made man. The issue is, look at what's 
happened to man. Look at how bad man is. And look 
at God's holy revulsion against that sin. And then that backdrop 
then becomes the broader context for the sending of the son of 
his love to save us from our sin. So who is God? What does the Bible say who is 
God? And it's from that vantage point 
that you interpret texts that then seem to suggest something 
contrary in terms of the who is God-ness of God. So it's always a question of 
strategy, methodology, or hermeneutic. And I would suggest that the 
faulty hermeneutic is to, well, you know, it says he changed. 
It says his heart was broken. It says, you know, yeah, it does, 
but what does the analogy of scripture and the analogy of 
faith teach us? Are you content with, you know, 
a God who's really sorry that he made man? That opens up a 
world of issues and challenges and problems in theology that 
none of us are capable of tackling, unless we end up in open theism. 
And oftentimes, that's where people go. Open theism is a great 
commentary on the negation or the neglect of divine impassibility, 
among other fundamental grammar truths of God. Well, you can't take us past 
nine. I have an unwritten covenant 
with the brethren. We don't go past nine. Sleep is good. We're not angels. Thank you. God speaks to us with 
human language and imagery. As Herman Boving states, Scripture 
does not contain a few scattered anthropomorphisms, but is anthropomorphic 
through and through. As infinite in existence and 
essence, God's perfection of meaning cannot be comprehended 
by us. Finite minds cannot contain an idea of God adequate to his 
infinite perfection. Neither can human language univocally 
express the perfection of his pure actuality and fullness of 
being. Thus, in speaking to us of the Bible and in distributing 
the messages of his perfection throughout the natural world, 
God clothes himself in creaturely imagery and communicates the 
truth about his infinite and unchanging existence under the 
form of what is finite and changeable. Furthermore, he reveals himself 
to humans bit by bit in the changing dynamic of our temporal and finite 
lives. He alters the revelation of himself in order to meaningfully 
interact with us in our historical pilgrimage and to lead us into 
an increasingly deeper knowledge of himself. This does not mean, 
though, that God's intrinsic manner of being univocally corresponds 
to the manner in which he discloses himself. Yeah, that's a tight, 
that book is great. I would say Dolezal's All That 
Is In God is really, really an excellent book. But I'm saying 
the book by Gozal kind of summarizes and brings these things to bear. 
And one final thought, Jeff, just put the analogy, keep it 
in your head, between anthropopathism and anthropomorphism. You don't 
get to 2 Chronicles and see that God's eyes run to and fro through 
the earth and think there must be actual eyes. We need to think 
that way about change. We need to think about the implication 
of God moving from one state to another. There are grave and 
significant challenges with that. So, you know, it's like Asaph 
starts his Asaphian Psalm 73, where he's gonna basically say, 
I had some problems with God. How does he start? God is good 
to Israel. He starts with that axiomatic 
principle, and then he says, but as for me, my foot nearly 
slipped. I saw the righteous suffer. I 
saw the unrighteous prosper. I was a mess until I went into 
the sanctuary. So I think axiomatically, foundationally, 
fundamentally, What the Bible says about who God is in terms 
of his perfections has to be the operating assumption. And 
so that when texts come that seem to challenge that, we need 
to understand them in light of who God is. Just like God is 
spirit, doesn't have a body like men, so whatever it means about 
his arm, whatever it means about his eyes, can't mean there's 
actual spatial, temporal eyes running to and fro throughout 
the earth. I think it probably indicates his omissions. It indicates 
his presence. It indicates things. Again, it's 
an improper predication. The eyes of the Lord are in every 
place. So what do we learn from that? 
It's an improper predication. God doesn't have actual eyes, 
but it teaches us truth about divine omissions. Just like his 
wrath, his fury, his relenting shows us something of his righteousness 
and justice. So that's it. It's a great subject. Yeah, go ahead. If anybody needs 
to leave, I don't want to violate your contract. All that is in 
God is $3 on Kindle. Oh yeah, it's $3 on Kindle. All 
that is in God. It is a great book. I just listened 
to an 8-minute thing by R.C. Sproul before he died. Stephen 
Nichols was in his office, in his library, and saw this new 
book by James Golezal, All That Is in God. And Sproul said, yep, 
I've read it twice. It's fantastic. It is absolutely 
fantastic. And he commended it wholeheartedly, 
gave a little background about open theism, and just the necessity 
for classical Christian theism. He even says at one point, I 
sometimes get more out of reading Plato than I do modern theology. I told Wim, put that on Facebook 
and watch the crazies come out. We will definitely get hit. Yes? I just had a comment about 
the man that was healed in that first aid. It's all these modern 
day miracle faith healers. They never seem to be successful 
with people like Wayne from birth. Yeah, oh yeah. And the other 
thing is, it's always on stage. Remember with the hospitals, 
you might tell people they're... Yeah, just go to the ER. That'd 
be a good thing. That's what I've always thought. Good observations. OK.