so I think that would be a good book that's actually dialoguing to some degree with with people like us he seems like the P type of person you would just sit down and happily talk to uh he's not mad about cover theology now earlier you had mentioned the view of Meredith Klein in terms of the the Covenant of the old Covenant being the Covenant of Works he's not alone in that so there were you know previous pay back that recognize that as well so in your experience when this is pointed out to a a Westminster pedal Baptist do they see the the the tension in other words the the Westminster does not treat the old Covenant as a covenant of works but as an administration of the Covenant of Grace how do they deal with that sort of discrepancy right so we do have to narrow uh the focus of what we're talking about so if we if we expand our scope beyond the Westminster Confession to the reformed tradition the idea that the Mosaic Covenant is not the Covenant of Grace but rather is some form of subservient subservient Covenant of works that would be standard fair and no one would really bat an ey no one would be bothered by that it would be just a part of the reformed tradition the the problem is that the Westminster Confession limits and specifically specifies to be redundantly redundant uh that the Mosaic Covenant is the Covenant of Grace in substance and so the Meredith Klein's views only become a problem within a Westminster confessional context where the diversity of the reformed tradition on covenant theology is not acceptable it's a particular slice and version of reformed covenant theology that's uh laid down in the Westminster Confession and they do see that tension that's why the OPC has had uh reports on public and you can read their long report and I believe an appended Minority Report on republication