M but when the pastor asks for money or benefits but but that's your calling that's your vocation that don't you do that for souls and I've often thought and I've been at this now for a few years and I I I think about the Pastoral Ministry and the connection to other jobs and and and that one thing I remain convinced is that pastors need to perform and by perform I don't mean you know Joel ostein type I mean let your progress be evident to all growing in your understanding of scripture growing in your knowledge of Theology and being able to preach so that the people of God under your charge are growing and learning I would feel terrible if somebody came to our church and you know mo a majority of the people couldn't answer basic Bible questions that